Divinity Existence - A Good Subject for a Chat with Your Friends

Sorry Guys!

It is amazing how a good company and enough beer can loosen you enough to reach for subjects so out of reach ... this one for instance.

One can think of our world as known by us through scientific experiments performed to date. One could say that God is not necessary to explain the world, and it was Stephen Hawking himself that said it, too, God rest his soul.

Is it?

When you select to use an axiom, whether you do this explicit or implicit, the system you develop is complete and can't deny (nor confirm for that matter) your axiom.

When one selects to perform his experiments in the material world, without regards to possible spiritual elements, it implicitly selects the axiom of negating the existence of a spiritual world.

Please help me out here; I am just nibbling at some notions through which I try to explore the world as a whole and ... I may hurt myself. If you spent more time thinking at this subject or got to a clearer understanding of it, please let me know.

One can just wonder, looking at the Euclidean geometry and at the classical Physics, if the godless world isn't just an approximation we are more comfortable with rather than accepting the existence of God.

However, as someone pointed to me some time ago, it may take even more faith to believe in a world without God than it takes to believe in God.

I am not comfortable with using the name of God, so in the following I will use the name of Divinity.

Some Basics

Following is a try to imagine what if we are to consider the axiom to presume the existence of the Divinity.

By definition, the Divinity is spiritual by nature and capable of specifying, creating and intervening in the material realm, at will.

In this case several questions are of interest:

1. What is the relation of the Divinity with our world?
2. What is the relation of the Divinity with the humans?
3. What is the relation of the Divinity with me?
4. Can the existence of the Divinity be observed?
5. Can the existence of the Divinity be proven?

What is the relation of the Divinity with our world?

Well, to start with the obvious one, the Divinity created our world. This conclusion comes from the definition of the Divinity, as the Divinity can create material realm.

Since we know that the Universe was created in the "Big Bang", we can draw from the definition of the Divinity that the birth of the Universe was specified and setup by the Divinity.

At the question who created the Divinity, instead of answering "a higher level Divinity" (and the higher one was created by an even higher one, and so on and so forth) I would just claim that the Divinity just is, and was, and will be outside of time and independent of it.

This is quite a bit to take in, therefore let's use an analogy to help. As method, this is similar to the electronic-hydraulic analogy (see Wikipedia).

Let's think at the relation between the Divinity and our Universe to be analog to the relation between a game Designer (who also designed and built the device the game is played on) and its Game. Therefore the analogies are Divinity - Designer, Universe - Game. This is not as far-fetched as smarter people than I thought about humans as pawns in a game played by more evolved civilizations, see Life as a Simulation.

Obviously, the Game starts when the Designer starts it, it stops at the Designer's will, it can run fast-forward or backwards, at Designer's will or be restarted from the beginning, with same or different rules.

This should clarify how the Divinity can exist outside of our time.

There is also the matter of the question "Why?"; "Why did the Divinity created the Universe?". Although I obviously don't know the real answer, if I am to make further use of the previous analogy, I would point to some of the reasons a game designer might design a game: either he was bored or he just thought it would be interesting or he thought it may benefit him ("'cause his boss told him to" doesn't apply here).

What is the relation of the Divinity with the humans?

As humans, we like to think that the Divinity has a special relation with us; and we also like to think that we have a special relation with the Divinity. Sorry, rather read the "we" above as "some of us".

If the game analogy still holds, we can hope at a two-way special relationship as this must be the juiciest part of the game as just observing humans interactions clearly beats observing crashing Galaxies.

As equipped with intelligence and conscience (self-conscience), the humans just need to be taught the rules of the game (to learn how to get points and learn which points count and get you to the next level) and we should be able to play the game (this may sound easier than it actually is).

What is the relation of the Divinity with me?

Well, this is personal. Everyone can answer this for himself, and please share if you feel like sharing.

Can the existence of the Divinity be observed?

Observing the Divinity's direct interventions should be possible if you happen to come across them; you just may have difficulties distinguishing them from normal but very rare occurrences.

Keep in mind that our mere existence is, according to the axiom and definition above, an act of the Divinity.

Can the existence of the Divinity be proven?

The short answer is not, and this is why we had to take this as an axiom.

On the other hand, if a theory based on the existence of the Divinity is developed and is proven useful in explaining phenomena observed, this would implicitly validate the initial axiom. At that point the belief in the Divinity will no longer be an act of faith but rather a proof of intelligence; not sure that time will ever come.

One question: Since the Univers is generally accepted that it is infinit, why is it so difficult to think at an infinite God?